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Re: Take Your Anger Out On My Landing Page Copy
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November 11, 2009, 12:49:50 PM »
Try the egg-cure i mentioned.
It works on all hairtypes, volumeless or not,
it become more lifelike.
I have taken care to edit my first
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it was too flat and needed more volume.
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Re: Take Your Anger Out On My Landing Page Copy
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November 11, 2009, 01:43:29 PM »
I wish, it was this simple.
I used to write with my heart, what, that is suppose
to mean?
I used breathing methods.
(3+ years behind me)
Nothing seemed to work.
Reality is harder, it is.
I take all facts, over all hearts, any day, and time.
Copywriting, is sience.
Quote from: trease on November 11, 2009, 01:32:31 AM
Just write with what's in your heart and give them the fire
and passion that will make it all happen
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Re: Take Your Anger Out On My Landing Page Copy
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November 11, 2009, 10:16:32 PM »
I take a different approach with copy. I don't write what's in my heart. I write what's in my customer's head.
I don't care what you're pitching, copy begins and ends with entering the conversation already in your prospect's head. You then work your own personal solution/message into their minds.
This isn't about passionate writing, leave that to the Pulitzer, and the Giller Prize. I can't tell you how many clients I've seen with REAL PASSION.
But they couldn't sell you their product if their life depended on it. Heck, Bruce posted a great video with some very PASSIONATE guy talking to Eben Pagan and getting absolutely schooled.
Passion is great, don't get me wrong. But with copy, write with
your head
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prospect's
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Re: Take Your Anger Out On My Landing Page Copy
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November 11, 2009, 10:54:48 PM »
Omar,
That's good. Do you also write with their passion?
And Johan, writing with your heart is like writing with emotion and passion. Omar is right. You have to write for the customer.
I do come at this differently, as part travel writer. So don't always listen to me. Only take advice that makes sense to you and from those with a proven track record. And from those whose writing styles will work with your clients and customers.
Also different things work for different people. There is no one-size-fits-all here.
Also think positive. Feel like the breakthrough is just around the corner and that it will come. Think this before you go to sleep and the first thing when you get up.
Nothing worth having is ever simple... at least for me. I struggle with what I want the most. The more you struggle, the more you learn. And you learn to refine it better. Just keep on writing and marketing yourself.
Write the way that gets the desired results. There will be false starts. That's what is called rough drafts. Just keep at it and believe it will come.
I hope this helps.
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Re: Take Your Anger Out On My Landing Page Copy
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Hey John, what do you mean by feral ethnography?
Probably best for another thread. However, keeping within the social marketing as not an empty buzzword theme, let's see what we can do.
If you're, say, a handbag manufacturer, you might conduct a focus group.
Let's say, however, you want to add a direct response twist. You might then make an announcement at the end of the focus group, thanking the participants and offering a handbag in exchange for their work and effort. (Not free).
Watching the handbag table, you might then discover the handbag chosen had no correlation with responses given in the focus group -- but high correlation with sales.
There are certain unfortunate tendencies when people get into groups. You want to still use the focus group, pretty much as always, then throw away the survey and watch the behavior around that table.
If you're talking social marketing, you're talking about how to develop a site which fosters invites to Linkdin and Facebook.
...Which social networks are serious for business purposes, and which are for show. (Your 3,497 close personal friends who never buy, contact or interact with you? ...yeah, they are no friends)
...How to "work a room," and develop your physical networking skills (Sorry, while sad and pathetic are social aspects, social marketing can't confine itself to meaningless online Rolodex stuffing and getting the most comments on Digg)
...Viral marketing, or the dynamics of how people refer a site and do your advertising for you. Problem is, there is cutesy viral which pumps up bandwidth costs and little else, and viral marketing which causes targeted prospects to buy.
A lot of this is not a long form sales letter. We're talking forums, sites like Digg, blogs and two-way interactive, multi-step sales processes. While it can be done, it is not as easy as dropping the term "social marketing" into a cute web 2.0 styled layout.
And there are a whole lot of wannabes who couldn't go into specifics if their lives depended on it.
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Re: Take Your Anger Out On My Landing Page Copy
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November 12, 2009, 07:03:35 AM »
Mr. Subtle -- Those stats came from the Nielsen "Trust In Advertising" report from 2007 and 2009. Now that I'm looking at this again, though, perhaps it's more accurate to change the sentence to read:
"Seventy percent of people now trust online conversations to inform purchase decisions – a number that’s jumped 10 percent in just two years."
I wonder if I should source this somehow in the copy? I don't see it done often but I wonder if it would add credibility.
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Re: Take Your Anger Out On My Landing Page Copy
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"Discover the profits that lie hidden online - it's easier than you think" is simply awful. Cheesy as. Hackneyed as. Trite as. And the rest of your site just looks like you're trying to impress - and failing at it. Your photo is straight out terrible. You look embarrassed and ridiculous holding the laptop in your hand. Why don't you just play it straight - with some decent copy instead of this beat-up?
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Re: Take Your Anger Out On My Landing Page Copy
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January 01, 2010, 01:29:38 PM »
The man with the binocular get rid of him.
It's about anything but watching for birds on green fields.
"The key to web design and generalmarketing is "consistent".
Every part must have a connection with the overall message.
2, The font animation message to the header is bad.
Change it to harder powerpunch fonts, Verdana, Impact.etc
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Re: Take Your Anger Out On My Landing Page Copy
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Western Outlaw -- the VERY last thing this board needs is one more person who tears people's work apart without providing any real constructive criticism.
I often find myself wanting to recommend this board to others, and I never do, because of how nasty people like yourself can be.
"Why don't you just play it straight - with some decent copy instead of this beat-up?" Sure. Want to provide some actual suggestions, or is that beneath you?
I don't mean to rant, and I certainly don't intend to take any of your feedback personally -- but sometimes the level of rancor on this forum gets ridiculous.
Is this a copywriting forum, or a haven for trolls?
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Re: Take Your Anger Out On My Landing Page Copy
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..,but sometimes the level of rancor on this forum gets ridiculous.
Possibly true ...in every other thread where the original poster doesn't write "take your anger out..." right in the subject line. A "rancor magnet" if there ever was one.
As a web copy expert, don't be surprised when you get what you specifically advertise for. It doesn't aid credibility.
There could be a subject line designed to foster careful, informative, constructive thought about the topic at hand. That one wasn't it.
Words mean things. ...As a copywriter striving to affect a certain behavior in the reader
intentionally,
this seeming shock or surprise bodes ill.
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Re: Take Your Anger Out On My Landing Page Copy
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January 31, 2010, 09:36:02 PM »
Ah, the old "she asked for it!" line.
Has that been working for you, John?
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Re: Take Your Anger Out On My Landing Page Copy
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February 01, 2010, 05:08:36 AM »
Ah, the old victim ploy.
That works quite well.
Devious and vicious, but well written. Unlike the subject line in question.
You may be improving.
I am, rather, reminded of the Humpty Dumpty line: `When
I
use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.'
That you brought a line into this that could, properly interpreted, be considered quite sharp and rancorous, that is to be expected
in this particular thread.
Whatever other reaction I might have, it's not shock or surprise.
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Don your asbestos suit and post your copy for critique.
What part of this section description was unclear? Perhaps this would be better posted in the children's section set aside -- under a properly written subject line. Where a poster can don their jammies (with the footies) and read comments while they drink a warm glass of milk.
Despite the best efforts to infantilize the society, the world still has sharp edges. Especially when you're intent on playing with knives.
Should we attempt to be more civil? I think that might be something almost anyone, myself included, should strive towards. On some occasions, the more clueless just won't take a hint couched in subtle niceties.
Civility has its uses. But so does incivility, taken with measured consideration. (Some copywriters use this) The ruse of civility can also be used to dispose of inconvenient information ...that is a poor use, but common.
Not every comment, even when meant so, is going to be useful or constructive -- and that goes just as well for positive comments. But nobody complains about gushing, fawning empty praise. Because pablum is all America has the stomach for in its dotage. (...look it up)
Deal with it.
Words still mean things. And if you're advertising for something, don't get your sensibilities in a twist when someone answers your ad with precisely what you asked for, no more and no less.
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