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« on: July 03, 2009, 10:17:12 PM »

After reading most of the posts in most of the topics here I need to actually try some "stuff". The Clickbank topic and some of the suggestions about rewriting a so-so sales letter seemed to be a good way to start.

But it also raised a few question in my mind. The sales letter I selected had some good copy.  But I though the headline, sub-heading and some of the benefits could be improved quite a lot.

1 - How much do I need to rewrite the copy to be safe?

2 - In submitting for critique, is it wise/acceptable to show a before and after?
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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2009, 10:31:11 PM »

I really would use the sales letter as a template and do a total rewrite. That way all doubt of it being yours is removed.

But to answer your question, I believe at least 80% needs to be rewritten. I believe that is the copyright law.

Why do you want to practically be the same as somebody else? Offering something unique and different that sets you apart from others. You want to be noticed in a positive way.

I don't know about a before and after since the before doesn't belong to you. What if the copywriter who wrote the letter is a member here or sees that you're not mentioning their piece in a good light in comparison to yours?

This is just my opinion, except the 80/20 part.

I hope this helps,

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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2009, 11:05:59 PM »

Maybe I wasn't clear enough.  My question is about how much to rewrite the copy rather than how much of the copy to rewrite.

As an example: If a benefit is referenced in the original version shouldn't that same benefit be highlighted in my rewrite? Two different versions of text can actually point out that same benefit without being the same.

As to 'unique': For me, 'unique' and 'original' are significantly different, but that's a different discussion.
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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2009, 11:17:07 PM »

I would suggest rewriting it in your own style.  Use your skills to craft a well-written sales letter.  It's a better demonstration of your copywriting skills too.

It doesn't matter whether you...

... Use it as an affiliate to create an additional revenue stream off someone else's product.

... Sell it to the product owner once you have some conversion stats to show it's value.

... Use it as part of your copywriting portfolio.

Copywriting clients rarely care about unique.  They want marketing that works.   Clients will pay you handsomely for copy that is written from scratch (original work).  They will want to pay you peanuts -- unless you have a strong track record to drive up your price -- to just rewrite or "tweak" their copy.

Hope that helps,

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« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2009, 11:27:41 PM »

There's no hard and fast rule on rewrites. Do as many as it takes to get the results you want. That's going to vary. Whenever in doubt, test it. There does come a time when the letter has been tweaked enough. But there is no set number.

It depends on what you want to do as to whether or not a benefit should highlighted in the rewrite. Was it a strong and believable benefit? Will mentioning help get the results you want and get the reader to take action? That's a valid point you make about the same benefit in different versions.

Yeah, unique and original are different.

Sorry for the misunderstanding, but it did sound like you were asking something else in #1.

Trease

Mike, what you say about being unique makes sense. Marketing that works is always a good way to make money.
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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2009, 11:39:20 PM »

Thanks trease and Mike.

I don't ever plan to offer copywriting services.  I want to do some/better  internet marketing on a couple of my existing websites as well as building a new website or two.
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... Use it as an affiliate to create an additional revenue stream off someone else's product.

This is an attractive proposition for me .. if nothing else as a way of testing the skills that I hope to develop. Besides that, a few dollars of income is always welcome.

I do understand the importance of writing from scratch and in my own voice.  It just seems short sighted to ignore features and benefits simply because another copywriter pointed them out.
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« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2009, 01:59:52 AM »

Nobody is saying to ignore the features and benefits. Use them if they achieve the purpose you want them too. And hey, not all copywriters are good. And not all benefits or features sell the product. You need to be sure they work for what you have in mind.

You test and then use what sells the best. And you need to get the reader to perceive this is a benefit for them specifically.

If your angle is a different one, you may want to use different benefits. Or you may want to word the same benefits differently and in a way that suits your marketing angle.

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« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2009, 11:08:00 AM »

You're opening a can of worms by asking, without a specific letter.

Generally yes, a benefit mentioned in the original should be mentioned in your own copy. That answers leaves the door wide open to mistakes though.

For example the original may heavily push a "pleasure" benefit, but pleasure other than sex/being sexy/attractive is not a primary motivator. As such which benefits should you mention first, in what order?

I won't answer the bit about 'how much' as I'm not sure what you mean.



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« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2009, 10:08:51 PM »

You're opening a can of worms by asking, without a specific letter.

I realize that now.  I'm trying to find a starting place to learn copywriting and it's more than a little confusing for me.  I think I know that the best way to learn is by doing and then having experts critique what I wrote.

After reading a bit more about Clickbank, I'm not sure I want to go that direction. 

I have a number of websites on various topics .. so my efforts might be better spent learning how to write really good landing / pre-sell pages for affiliate products.

BTW, thanks for the comment re: benefits. What you said makes sense.
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